March 27, 2008 6:31 PM PDT

Spyware Horror Story: Debugging for newbies

Got your own spyware horror story?

Submitted by Chookkii; Willaston, Australia

After reading all the stories and blogs, I'm starting to think that maybe all the problems I'm having all of a sudden could be caused by the Norton Internet Suite I purchased this year. My computer is running slowly, programs are constantly "not responding," I'm getting error reports about programs that I didn't even know were running, let alone that they existed, and to make it worse, I am very basic on the computer. We did not have them when I went to school, so all I know is only what I have taught myself. When something goes wrong, I have a hard time trying to fix it and if I do manage to fix it, you can bet I don't know (or remember) what I did to fix it!

Everyone talks about having enough memory, but I've no idea what I should have. My laptop has a speed of 1,729 MHz, RAM 512 MB, total capacity is 111.78 GB, and free disk space is 80.04--all of which means nothing to me. Also, everyone talks about cache memory, but no one tells you how much you should set your cache memory to. Anyway, if my problems are with Norton, what do you do? Do you put up with it since it cost over $100.00 for a year's subscription, or cut my losses and disable it?

Editor's response

As liberating as computers are, it's terrifying when things go wrong. You're left abandoned, even mocked!, by the tools on which you've come so heavily to rely. It's like having your trusty accountant wipe a stack of forms to the floor, storm out of the office, and leave you to sort out your own taxes.

That's why this Spyware Horror Story (see all) goes back to basics. Without a good foundation, novice users will perform tasks without understanding what they're doing or why. Not that this quick response will solve all problems, but it's a start.

Memory. The two kinds of memory Chookkii mentions are RAM (random access memory) and cache memory, the latter of which can mean different things in various contexts. In layman's terms, RAM is a sizable data reservoir that makes much of your data quicker to access, faster than pulling data from the hard disk. I've heard it described with a library book analogy, and here's another--getting data from RAM is a bit like getting a cold drink from the kitchen refrigerator, instead of from the garage. Cache memory works similarly, but is a reservoir to make getting select data even quicker than getting it from RAM, like fetching that drink from the mini fridge at your feet instead of traipsing to the kitchen.

If you're not a gamer or running a ton of heavy, full-featured programs, a 512 MB RAM is usually adequate. You can add more RAM, let's say a gigabyte (GB) more, by buying it from any retail or online electronics store (compare prices here.) That will generally speed your computer's performance, and is a good choice if you plan to store large multimedia files, like music, photos, and videos.

I'm no cache memory expert, but from what I understand, the limit is tied to the CPU chip that comes with your computer. Replacing that means messing with the guts of your computer. Don't take my word for it, though. There's a lot of good information on the Web, and plenty of forums to help, including CNET's.

Problems with Norton. While antivirus apps have been known to compete with each other and spontaneously combust when you've got too many going at once, I suspect Chookkii's problems are more of a malware nature. This was the tip-off: "I'm getting error reports about programs that I didn't even know were running, let alone that they existed." Ding, ding, ding! Ah, the sweet warning bells of corruption. There are a few things I'd do in this case.

First, make sure Norton is completely updated. You can do this by opening the program interface and finding the "Updates" button. The next step is to get a second opinion whether the software in question is unwanted malware or some greater system wreckage. I suggest scanning the computer with a different third party antivirus app. There are plenty of good choices out there, but I might start with one like SUPERAntiSpyware Free Edition.

If that doesn't turn up anything, you can easily escalate the hunt by running a diagnostic scan with Trend Micro Hijack This, a free, invaluable tool, and send the log to a dedicated spyware forum for analysis. Read our help manual for more details.

My final piece of advice is also the most drastic, and should be followed only if you're at your wit's end. Back up your photos, MP3s, and important documents (you could do this with an external hard drive or with software) and reinstall Windows with your original installation disks. This is time consuming and you'll lose all your extra programs and data, taking you back to the extreme basics. Known as a "clean install," this method also usually rids the system of what ails it and is a straightforward enough concept for even extreme novices to find success. Best of luck.

Find you also have suggestions for Chookkii? Leave them in the comments below.

Got your own spyware horror story?
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by 11gardir March 28, 2008 4:32 AM PDT
Or alternatively, get rid of Norton (which could be difficult), and get Avira AntiVir, Spyware Terminator and Comodo Firewall instead!
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by johnch44 March 28, 2008 6:26 AM PDT
Since this is an inexperienced user, maybe just run Disc Clean up and Defragment the hard drive before moving on to an antispyware scan (Windows Defender), antivirus scan ( Norton). Formating the hard drive is rather drastic at this point.
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by Doug Woodall March 28, 2008 7:19 AM PDT
Sadly, using a computer online requires no experience. Thats what BotNet and Malware marketeers count on. Infecting a computer and using it and hopefully many others to profit without remorse is the way it works now out there. And agreeing with 11gardir, you cant just disable Norton and install something else. It has to be removed completely, you have to dnload the uninstall program at their site to insure that whatever you decide to run will not end up a mess.
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by i_am_still_wade March 28, 2008 7:37 AM PDT
Best move I ever made was get rid of Norton and get Trend Micro Internet Security. While not perfect, it is efficient (unlike McAfee) and it detects almost everything (unlike both Norton and McAfee). I also find Trend Micro's real time scanning is good too. I just go to the command prompt, type dir in the directory I want to scan, and it quite often detects spyware just that simply. In fact, I don't even use Spybot or Ad-Aware anymore. I have yet to come upon something it cannot remove.
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by dirtylow March 28, 2008 8:23 AM PDT
thanx for the info on ram & trouble shooting those error messages. I alway tell people to know what programs are running in the background. There r lots of tools for this my favorite is Sysinternals Process Explorer.http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx Task Manager is #1 thought it works 99.99% of the time when others are hung up, & the os is not responding. System idle should be 100% fluctuating in the 90s is also good. For trouble with passable malwarz i suggest going to "trend micros house call" an on line scanner. http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ Usually finds & removes. U can also get your copy of hijack this while u r there. They also have a new software out called "rubotted" you will see it there when u go to housecall. I am still testing this ware out myself. i dont recall if in the post the person mentioned how long they have been operating on that install. i reformat every three months or so. Well not so much reformat as wipe the disk clean & restore the partion from the last clean install that was on the computer when i got it new. First thing i do with a new box is install Acronis True Image. http://www.download.com/Acronis-True-Image-Home/3000-2242_4-10168093.html?tag=lst-1&cdlpid=10744891 Open it & backup drives. All backups r on a external that i dont use, only to backup data or restore. It takes minutes to restore. Compared to hours doing/making a clean install. U probably dont have that luxury right now but take my word for it Acronis True Image Home 11.0 is worth every penny. u can do more than restore. i dont want to go on about Acronis. Clean install is daunting but worth while when done right make sure u have your disks. OS & Drivers. Google reformat if u dont know how. its easy just time consuming.(Sometimes trouble shooting a problem is more trouble than it worth. U can spend days and still not have good result. I reformat & have about 50 installed programs in about 4-6 HRS. So i think to myself i know i will have the results i want if i reformat. trouble shooting i might just be chasing my tail.) An online scan from trend takes at least 2 HRS on my cpu. In that same amount of time you could reformat have drivers installed & be doing windows updates. If u do reformat when the drivers r installed updates r done. BACKUP your os. No matter how u do it there r free bees out there windows has on on the os. Sorry for babbling hope i helped someone. thanx to everyone posting who has helped someone. i know it has helped me
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by rcharnoc March 28, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
I see no mention made of what Operating System is in use, but if the laptop is running Vista Basic with 512 RAM that can be a problem. Also many of the commercial anti virus applications including Norton and Trend Micro, from my experience tend to slow down systems. I would definitely look into reinstalling the OS and installing a free anti virus like Avast, and anti spyware like Spybot Search and Destroy.
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by MADDY12 March 28, 2008 10:24 AM PDT
HOW ABOUT USEING 'SYSTEM RESORE' AND GO BACK BEFORE NORTONS WAS INSTALLED..I TO HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THIS SOFTWARE..CHEERS CLIFF
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by Darthorious March 28, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
Did have a friend with simular problems. Turned out to be a trojan can't remember the name of it but it was a nasty one and re-install/wipe of the drive didn't work. Reason being there is a hidden exe file on drives including jump drives I believe he said it was called test.exe or something like that. It was actually infecting test.exe with the virus and apparently that file is not deleted/wiped when you do so to a drive. He was able to get a program to restore the actual test.exe (or whatever it was called) on his drives and remove the virus but it took alot of time. Funny I never knew about this file.
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by Little_Timmy March 28, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
I don't want to start a flame war but I'm kinda confused why we still use Windows at all. I switched to Apple computers several year as ago and have not once since had any spyware, malware or virii.
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by chustar March 28, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
You're comfortable with Macs, that's your thing. Not everyone is ready to learn ho to use a whole new OS. Besides, if you want us all to use Macs, allow us to install it on any hardware we want and not charge us for premium computers.
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