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June 26, 2007 9:46 AM PDT

Find files faster

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Last week, in an article about optimizing hard drives, I mentioned that I'm a digital pack rat. I'm continually bumping up against my disk size and burning files off to DVD.

While maintaining my hard drive is no big problem, finding the files I need among 120GB of images, songs, movies, Web pages, Word docs, and other personal data can be a challenge, especially when I need something ASAP.

Google Desktop

Google Desktop allows a persistent search box in its sidebar.

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The big boys of online search (Google, Yahoo, and MSN) all offer desktop apps that work reasonably well. Despite accusations of bloat and recent security issues, GoogleDesktop is the king so far, most likely because of its domination of online search.

Yahoo tried to compete with a free Yahoo Desktop Search product but stopped development to partner with X1, perhaps most famous for its e-mail search. Yahoo's new desktop search app is now simply X1 Professional Client, which offers a 30-day trial for its $50 software.

Don't worry, Microsoft still wants to own your desktop search too. Its free client, Windows Desktop Search, is widely used, free, and integrated well with the Microsoft Office Software suite.

Among the small guys, one of the user favorites on CNET Download.com is Copernic Desktop Search. It's free and some nice features, like a customizable preview pane.

tag2find

Create your own file taxonomy with tag2find.

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A new program (still in beta) is tag2find, which incorporates the popular practice of adding "tags" or keywords to your files. You're probably familiar with ID3 tags for your MP3 music files; tag2find uses the same concept, but with all of your files.

What do you use to keep the files on your hard drive organized? Tell me about it in the comments.

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The best so far
by netocem June 26, 2007 12:57 PM PDT
PowerDesk's find (pdfind.exe), is yet the best I have seen, a few days back I tried to find files on my laptop.... waste of time, some programmes show you the list but the files are unaccessible, other simply won't read user directories. PDFIND searches EVERYWHERE and the resulting file list is entirely live, move, copy, delete, rename, everything.
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Windows desktop search
by koleoptero June 26, 2007 1:00 PM PDT
I use microsoft's solution because I think it is the best one for free. It's fast and has many nice features. The only drawback is the massive amount of ram it uses, but I have plenty to spare. :)
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I use Folders
by robotice3 June 26, 2007 1:01 PM PDT
I just use a lot of folders, and then go one into another to find what ever I want.
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Instant File Name Search - A MUST Have
by byloslhi June 26, 2007 1:02 PM PDT
I bought a new computer last year, and when installing the essentials such as Zone Alarm, Firefox and Google Pack, I also included a little gem called IFNS. Anyone who has used the traditional File Search feature found in Windows knows that it is unreliable (sometimes won't show a file you know for certain exists) and agonzingly slow. IFNS, on the other hand, has results as soon as you hit the enter key. Google Desktop also does a good job, but sometimes you need to sort results by date, file size, or folder location, all of which are sort options in the IFNS results pane. I highly recommend it, and the pricetag of FREE doesn't hurt, either.
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How about an easily expandible hard drive?
by bbartle June 26, 2007 1:09 PM PDT
You mention always filling up your hard drive and archiving to DVD. How about an easily expandible external drive array as an option? You guys just reviewed Drobo (www.drobo.com) and I have one and really like it.

On the desktop search front, I use Windows Desktop Search. Seems to work well enough and integrates well with the other Microsoft Office programs that I use.
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comments on file organizers?
by varick June 26, 2007 1:14 PM PDT
sure would be helpful peter if there was a link FOR email since all "I" got was an open email window and YOUR email address was NOT in the window!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as to adding MY 3 cents? "I" just simply use folders....
"I" know where EVERYTHING is on my hdd. "I" have zero trouble finding anything I want......
but maybe? there are 2 possible schools of thought. one is those that have no idea what a folder is.
another is those that like to complicate life with one more piece of software?
I do not know for sure. what I know is what I do. folders for everything. music folder with mini folders for mp3 and mpg and whatever else kind of musical items...wma...etc etc.
pics folder for ALL pictures...am "I" the ONLY one???
maybe I am huh?
okay peter. this is MY view,..as you asked for.
hopefully you and cnet will get together and fix the link for emailing? would be nice to have your address so someone COULD email you!!!
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Try Agent Ransack
by mickeyw June 26, 2007 1:16 PM PDT
Its what i use for searching. Very effective, fast with a small load usage.
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But what about all the GBs of data on DVD?
by Troy_at_TLC June 26, 2007 1:56 PM PDT
I have no problem with the content on my HD, windows desktop search handles all that great. It the 1,000's of Gigabytes of data on archive DVDs that need search solutions. I have been using a nifty little database application called "Pro-File" for years - but would be interested in what others are using.

- Troy @ TLC
- www.ThePowerPointBlog.com
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Dupe finder
by jeffingman June 26, 2007 2:01 PM PDT
I'd love to have search software on my PC that not only indexed my hard drive... but at the same time tagged dplicate files... with an interface that made it easy to locate and delete the dupes.
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call me old school....
by boowebb June 26, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
but I still use Agent Ransack. It's a great, simple little search tool that lets you do RegEx searches. It does not bloat up your harddrive with a huge index and it's quick if you are searching in specific directories.

So, to not have 2gb dedicated to a search index and to prevent a constant drag on my CPU I choose to do a little organization and use a very simple search tool.
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Addendum to some others
by kodosai June 26, 2007 2:15 PM PDT
Organization is to break down and place in systematic order the smallest sensible groupings of a bigger whole.

Let's first say that organization is not the lazy man's way of doing anything. Followed by, work smart, not hard. and ending up with KISS Keep It Simple Stupid.

First thing's first, either partition your hard drive (if you only have one), or use two seperate hard drives. Most home PCs still using IDE hard drives, make both your hard drives Primary HDs and slave your optical drive (cd/cd-r-w-rw/dvd...etc..) to the second IDE.

This helps if you ever have to reinstall Windows, keep the first hard drive (or first partition) for primarily Windows itself (or whatever OS). The second one is for everything else. Organize your stuff in to things like:

Downloads (these are your install files for things)
Music (you can sub-organize these by Artist - Album, I believe iTunes does a really handy job of doing that automatically based on your ID3 tags)
Photos/Pics - (All pictures, sub-categorize however you wish)
For programs that download things automatically in to a specific destination, I recommend creating a folder called "tosort". Point things like LimeWire, Bittorrent, FireFox, etc.. to automatically download in to that folder. Then periodically move those in to their appropriate folders to keep yourself organized.

Install your application on to the 2nd hard drive (partition) as well, and install them in to folders that make sense. Graphics, Internet, Utilities, Games, etc... Much easier than trying to remember who made the game or application, especially if you're fond of start-up or small-name software developers that you won't always remember and a lot of times they will install by default in to c:\program files\<companywhomakesthisprogram'snamehere>

At least for me, my downloads or installs folder contains the largest chunks of data, so when I run low on space, I just backup that whole folder on to some removeable media and then wipe the folder clean.

Once you get used to organizing, you will be able to find things a lot faster than you ever will in a find utility or in as much time..with less clutter in your installed programs or you desktop/screen real estate.
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Copernic has my vote
by dmckeown June 26, 2007 2:39 PM PDT
Copernic has been on my desktop for a few years. I use it frequently for work and is more valuable than most of programs I have paid for - and it doesn't bring the computer to a crawl. If I can't find a file within 20 seconds or so, I simply do a Copernic search. Once the search is completed I can sort by date or by file, which speeds up locating the file or email I need. One of the best features is the Preview screen which allows me to scroll through the entire document, not just the first few lines. If I see what I need in the Preview screen I can copy it, without having to open the document itself.
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I don't need to find them
by Judecat1 June 26, 2007 3:46 PM PDT
because I know exactly where I put them. I'm a professional file clerk, and I've always had to organize both paper files, and computer files so that anyone can find them for work, so I just organized my own computer the same way.
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I settled down with Super Finder
by be3sun June 26, 2007 4:04 PM PDT
Having tested Google Desktop, Windows Desktop Search and Copernic Desktop Search, I happened to come across Super Finder which I eventually decided on. It is reasonably fast, very easy to use (you can quickly browse to a folder you suspect contains the file in question) and it is of course freeware. Go to http://freesoftland.sytes.net or http://fsl.sytes.net.
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File organisation
by robertpeggs June 26, 2007 4:18 PM PDT
Unfortunately, I keep everything! And most of it in Local Folders in Outlook Express. I do use about a dozen major categories, with an average of 20 subcategories, divided into several more layers of subcategories. This works reasonably well. I did use Microsoft's desktop search product; it worked quite well, but it was far too slow on my machine.
I have to confess though, the reason for writing this is to ask for help (& it is to do with searching!).
Before I installed Microsoft Windows Live OneCare I had about 15 GB available on my "C" drive. The first time I ran Microsoft Windows Live OneCare completely, this went down to 5 GB. The second time I ran it completely it gobbled up this remaining 5 GB. Now I am left with a crippled system with many, many "Temp" files and just a few MB after I run disk cleanup.
1)How do I know which "Temp" files can be removed and which might be required for the system to function?
2)How do I stop Microsoft Windows Live OneCare from repeating the problem?
Any help gratefully accepted.
Bob
PS Microsoft refuse to answer my emails on this!
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Windows Desktop search is quick, clean
by dwightbarlow June 26, 2007 4:20 PM PDT
I've used both Google and Windows desktop search programs, testing both quite extensively. The Google search is much slower and takes more resources while indexing than the Windows version. The Windows version gives quicker searches and a much better view of the document(s) found than the Google version. I use Windows Desktop search for cataloging, finding, and viewing files on my 300Gb primary drive and my 250Gb backup drive and am quite pleased with it.
D.B.
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My Pick Is No Longer Available
by JohnnyTheAussie June 26, 2007 4:43 PM PDT
I have been using DVYGUN, an excellent desktop search program designed in Russia, since 2005. It had gone through several update stages and was the only program I had found to approach the performance of my favourite, Alta Vista Search P-eX, which was in use until Alta Vista pulled the plug on it some years ago.

DVGUN allowed general search or target search for mail, audio, video, web pages, etc., and had update and rebuild index features. Unfortunately the web site wasn't there when I tried to check for updates last year and web searches still haven't found the company. Too bad, it was a very good program with many options.
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the old fasion way
by kratm June 26, 2007 4:48 PM PDT
i find all these programs are a waste they take too much of RAM and a few MB:P (my hard drive is a 180 and i have like 5 GB left which i use for virtual memory(have 512RAM)

i use the old way for doing these things
i use folders and i sort items into proper folders with proper dicriptions (if it is general Acessories the i put it in that folder, if it is a special program like Nero or Photoshop then i make an entirely separate folder
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Using ACCESS-2007
by jandav41 June 26, 2007 7:00 PM PDT
For any of separate collections, I just design and populate databases using ACCESS-2007. I created one for all the substance-abuse and mental-health treatment providers in the SF Bay-Area. I created one for my CD-collection, another for my DVD-collection, and just finished one for my families-genealogy with embedded pictures. As a database is the central repository for data, it can be reported-on or queried as one sees fit. If you are copying your files to a cd-rom, put an external-label on it, then enter the data (disc# or ID) into the database. If looking for disk-utilities, with sub-functions describing the various usages, why not have all that in a database? You can setup a query with enterable-criteria for searching, and voila! you've got all your file-names, creation-dates, and locations (hard-disk, exteranl-drive, flash-drive, cd-rom, etcetera. The hard-part is the design, but that can be malleable, and then comes the time spent populating the database. EXCEL is good to a lesser degree, but ACCESS goes so much farther, and is sortable any which way. If you have a file-naming convention, a query can be created based (filtering) on the first characters of the file-name, and you can keep adding to the search-criteria until BINGO!, you've found what you're looking for and WHERE!
Have fun (it certainly is for me!).
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Google Desktop rules my search
by vishzilla June 26, 2007 8:31 PM PDT
Google products have always amazed me, i use googledesktop for my desktop search. i love to play with the gadgets and it never lets me down
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